Irregular Warfare Podcast hosts Kyle Atwell and Shawna Sinnott interview co-founders Gary Shiffman and Juan Zarate about the economic drivers of illicit violence. Together, Shiffman and Zarate believe that social science can help us understand why terrorists, insurgents, and criminals engage in illicit violence. Zarate draws from his experience at the Treasury Department’s counter–threat finance efforts during the post-9/11 era. Shiffman mentions some of the key findings of his book, The Economics of Violence

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